[Lefty Noob]

The Cleveland Indians are 5-10.
They lost three straight and eight of their last 11.
Their ace (Sabathia) is 0-3 with a 13.50 ERA.
Blake, Cabrera and Peralta are a combined 2 for their last 48.
What the heck is wrong with this team? They stink!
Renteria's slam, Cabrera's homer help Tigers rout Sabathia - MLB - Yahoo! Sports

[mcdcwilliams]

The only thing wrong with the indians last night is that the tigers offence came alive. Horray! The tigers don't have the worst record in the divison anymore! they're just tied for the worst

[chsbletz]

They are getting some well-pitched games, but just about none of the core players are hitting. Also, there has been next-to-no power hitting. The bullpen has been mediocre-to-lousy as well. Put it all together, and 5-10 is about the record they should have. With all of that said, if Carmona has his command tonight, the Tigers will have a very difficult challenge.

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by mcdcwilliams

The only thing wrong with the indians last night is that the tigers offence came alive. Horray! The tigers don't have the worst record in the divison anymore! they're just tied for the worst

No, it's more than that. Especially with Sabathia. He's been awful. He was awful at the tail end of last year and he hasn't gotten any better.

[loco4pablo]

it's way early.... not even May yet.

[chsbletz]

They have some fundamental problems that might be improved, but it won't make them a contender this season.

[chsbletz]

Lefty, Sabathia's failures have been so conspicuous that they obviously have been a gigantic negative factor. What I was trying to point out is that the team has been very bad almost across the board. GM Mark Shapiro's failure to address obvious needs in the offseason is going to cost the team major money this season, as the fans stay away in response to the team's ineptitude.

[legend]

Sabathia is continuing his choke that he began against Boston last year, only now it's his walk year and he is folding under the pressure. The bullpen is a joke and guys that have hit in the past are not hitting now.

[slickvick04]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

No, it's more than that. Especially with Sabathia. He's been awful. He was awful at the tail end of last year and he hasn't gotten any better.

This team over achieved last year and the bar is set to high for CC i think everyone knows who the real Cy Young award winner was and it was Josh Beckett.It was a shame that CC got it with the stuff Beckett threw.Hes been inconsistent his entire carrer and it will never change trade him if the situation doesn't improve. One thing you have to take into consideration CC threw a carrer high 250+ innings last year and its affecting his command.And its a classic saying here in B.O.H.I.C.A.(bend over here it comes agian) aka Cleveland theres always next year. This team will not make the playoffs this year with this inconsistent offense and horriable bull pen pitching this is 06' all over agian.

[Lefty Noob]

Well, hopefully yesterday is a sign that things are getting turned around.
Sabathia won and got 11 strikeouts, and the Tribe had 17 hits in a 15-1 crushing of the Royals.
Casey Blake was 4-for-4 with 6 RBI, and David Dellucci and Jhonny Peralta had home runs.

Blake hits grand slam in Cleveland romp - MLB - Yahoo! Sports

[chsbletz]

What troubles me about Sabathia's first win is that he had 102 pitches by the end of the sixth inning. That compels Wedge to go to his bullpen, and that can sometimes be a problem, especially when the team isn't hitting like they were last night. C.C. needs to be much less concerned with strikeouts, so that he can last longer in games.

[azrael492]

Originally Posted by chsbletz

What troubles me about Sabathia's first win is that he had 102 pitches by the end of the sixth inning. That compels Wedge to go to his bullpen, and that can sometimes be a problem, especially when the team isn't hitting like they were last night. C.C. needs to be much less concerned with strikeouts, so that he can last longer in games.

The concern with his pitch count is being addressed. They are giving him bullpen sessions on his off days to work on his delivery. Supposedly, his release point is too inconsistent and that is the reason for the high pitch count. Every batter is working deep into it. This last game he had better control, but he still has a ways to go.

[azrael492]

Originally Posted by slickvick04

This team over achieved last year and the bar is set to high for CC i think everyone knows who the real Cy Young award winner was and it was Josh Beckett.It was a shame that CC got it with the stuff Beckett threw.Hes been inconsistent his entire carrer and it will never change trade him if the situation doesn't improve. One thing you have to take into consideration CC threw a carrer high 250+ innings last year and its affecting his command.And its a classic saying here in B.O.H.I.C.A.(bend over here it comes agian) aka Cleveland theres always next year. This team will not make the playoffs this year with this inconsistent offense and horriable bull pen pitching this is 06' all over agian.

You are correct that CC shouldn't have gotten the cy young. I wanted to see Carmona get it. i thought he was the best pitcher last year.