[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

Now, now Lefty, you know that "luck" is the difference between a perfect game and a really nice one hitter...

Look at your boy Harvey Haddox...he pitched one heck of a losing game once upon a time...his game was better pitched...his luck, not so good.

Oh, sure, luck and defense play major roles. But they wouldn't even be an issue if the pitcher didn't have his best stuff on that given day.

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

. But they wouldn't even be an issue if the pitcher didn't have his best stuff on that given day.

his best stuff

only 6 K's and over 4.2 pitches per batter faced ...... if thats his best stuff thats weak

[Dmaster92]

Anyone find it ironic that the same umpire who called his no hitter called his perfect game? conspiracy much.....

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by simple simon

his best stuff

only 6 K's and over 4.2 pitches per batter faced ...... if thats his best stuff thats weak

He's not a power pitcher. Neither was Glavine or Maddux.
Strikeouts are far from the only measure of a pitcher's abilities.
Like I said, a good location pitcher can force groundouts.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

He's not a power pitcher. Neither was Glavine or Maddux.
Strikeouts are far from the only measure of a pitcher's abilities.
Like I said, a good location pitcher can force groundouts.

No doubt Buerhle is a good pitcher and not a power pitcher...I just wouldn't not call him an elite pitcher...One thing you can say about him though is he will throw yoo +200 innings year in and year out, and get you double digit wins...add to it that he is a lefty...and you got a pitcher that teams will covet...on the negative side, he will give up a good 240 hits a year, so he is very hitteable when he does not get his groove on...and the fact he was taken in the 38th round probably means he never had top shelf pitches...

[yo_skinny_man]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

Now, now Lefty, you know that "luck" is the difference between a perfect game and a really nice one hitter...

Look at your boy Harvey Haddox...he pitched one heck of a losing game once upon a time...his game was better pitched...his luck, not so good.

I think we can all agree, that while there was some luck, and some great defense from the rest of his team, what Buerhle did was darned rare, and darned impressive...

And simon... it is his best stuff because he forcedweak ground ball after weak ground ball, after pop up... it's possible to be a dominant pitcher and not get tons of K's-- and this perfect game, and his no hitter before, prove that.

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by yo_skinny_man

I think we can all agree, that while there was some luck, and some great defense from the rest of his team, what Buerhle did was darned rare, and darned impressive...

And simon... it is his best stuff because he forcedweak ground ball after weak ground ball, after pop up... it's possible to be a dominant pitcher and not get tons of K's-- and this perfect game, and his no hitter before, prove that.

Exactly. Baseball fans are just as enamored with the strikeout as they are with the homerun. Ground ball pitchers get the job done just fine, just like singles hitters do.

[yo_skinny_man]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

Exactly. Baseball fans are just as enamored with the strikeout as they are with the homerun. Ground ball pitchers get the job done just fine, just like singles hitters do.

Amen! Greg Maddux and Derek Jeter are examples of that one, though they have gotten the praise they deserve

[Full Cougar]

Also remember that amazing catch. Robbing the homerun. That could have blown the a perfect game, no-hitter, and shutout in one swing.