[BUZZMAN2333]

and nothing replaces game experience ... sitting on the bench while on the dl ... doesn't quite make up for playing

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by BUZZMAN2333

and nothing replaces game experience ... sitting on the bench while on the dl ... doesn't quite make up for playing

Tell that to Carson Palmer, Daunte Culpepper, chad Pennington and others...it still makes a difference...Rex's learning curve is a bit too steep...

[BUZZMAN2333]

I don't understand your point ...

Palmers first year stats were very similar to Rex's
I think he was hurt his rookie year ... so that is a wash ....


Culpepper had a few good years .... but is terrible since Randy Moss left him. He proved that he needed Randy. His rookie year was amazing though.


Pennington has had one good year out of 6 and that was his third year in the league ... he has been hurt off and on ... this year he was not and was at best an average qb.

You can say the Bears defense got them to the superbowl ... and i would have a hard time arguing that fact ... but ... that being said ... these other qb's did not make it to the superbowl ... ever .... and most were not even close.

So how does that relate to REx besides they were once hurt too?

As I said before ... I know I am in the definite minority here ... expecting Rex to become a quality qb .. and I am totally fine with that ... but when did the Bears have a qb for any length of time that was better than Rex?

Personally, I don't want to use a steady ... average to below average veteran, when the possibility still exists that Rex could turn into something special.

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

Daunte Culpepper...

see i was about to have your back and you had to go and bring him into it didnt you

Originally Posted by BUZZMAN2333

Culpepper had a few good years .... but is terrible since Randy Moss left him. He proved that he needed Randy.

amen to that

as for Rex..........i would be all for giving him another shot, but he is so low in so many catagories

the idea i like better is to bring in Garcia and let them fight it out in training camp

you know Garcia can handle it....and if Rex proves to be better then he deserves the job

[americanwit]

Who else do they have? They haven't had a sucessful QB in Chicago since I can remember. They should keep onto him while drafting a QB this draft and having that rookie QB sit and learn for two years.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by BUZZMAN2333

I don't understand your point ...

Palmers first year stats were very similar to Rex's
I think he was hurt his rookie year ... so that is a wash ....


Culpepper had a few good years .... but is terrible since Randy Moss left him. He proved that he needed Randy. His rookie year was amazing though.


Pennington has had one good year out of 6 and that was his third year in the league ... he has been hurt off and on ... this year he was not and was at best an average qb.

You can say the Bears defense got them to the superbowl ... and i would have a hard time arguing that fact ... but ... that being said ... these other qb's did not make it to the superbowl ... ever .... and most were not even close.

So how does that relate to REx besides they were once hurt too?

As I said before ... I know I am in the definite minority here ... expecting Rex to become a quality qb .. and I am totally fine with that ... but when did the Bears have a qb for any length of time that was better than Rex?

Personally, I don't want to use a steady ... average to below average veteran, when the possibility still exists that Rex could turn into something special.

The point was those guys all benefited from a year on the bench, so it does help...Manning played his first year...so the comparison with Rex on first year of play verese rookie year is not apples to apples...at the same stage of their career, Manning was light years ahead of Rex...

And at this point any one else they get is better...

[Nuke]

Grossman is young and will improve. He tired at the second half probably because the NFL schedule is tougher than he thought. Now that he played a full year that shouldn't happen and I think they'll work on reducing those turnovers. Remember guys this is his first full year and considering that the Bears won the NFC with him as their QB. He needs time.

[BUZZMAN2333]

Like I said before ... we are not going to agree on this one.

Sitting on the bench does help learn the plays better, but it does not provide game experience which is what he needs more than anything else.

He needs to learn to trust his OL and step up into the pocket, instead of moving back and throwing off of his back foot.

He needs to learn a lot of stuff that he should have learned in high school and college ... he will get that opportunity being healthy and working in practice etc ...

I am worried that he doesn't have some of these normal qb attributes at this point in his career ...

but hopefully Wade can teach him ... and he will learn.

I am sticking by him .... just like the rest of the Bears.

[fredthefactor]

Originally Posted by BUZZMAN2333

You can quote whoever you want .. the fact is the Bears made it to the superbowl. They did not get a free pass. They played 19 games to get there.

Rex was the quarterback too ... he won his share of games and had bad games as well. If you saw the stats, Rex had more 100+ rating games that Peyton himself.

Rex is just inconsistant right now ... that is a result of not playing in enough games. He will get better.

Griese got a chance vs. Green bay and you saw what he did .....

Lovie sees the qb's every day in practice, film and games and he chose to stay with Rex. Since I cannot be at practices, watch film etc... I am going to guess that what Lovie sees is that Rex is the best qb for the team.

Don't you think the rest of the team would have bailed on him if they did not have confidence in him?

Everyone on the team defended Rex ... offense and defense. That tells you something right there.

Well if you want to look at a team that appeared to have confidense in there failing QB all you have to do is look toward the west of ChI-town at the Kansas City Chiefs 99.9% of the fans knew "Trent Green" had been hideing under that Vermil Umbrella but when Damon Huard started rainig Bombs on those defenses after he went down He was exsposed for the weak arm that Me and any other football fan that don't live buy the stats knew he had the whole time.
And for you my man I will again Quote "Denny the Great"TheTr"INT" was who the Factor thought he was but the Colts did'nt let him off the hook.
And for stats look up Greens stats seen he's been Kansas City and then se e If any defense had any respect for him .
They woulded even hold him accountable for his own mistakes when was clear his lack of skill level.
And since I feel pretty good today Ill share with you how our Jason Whitlock decribe the SuperBowl as a Giant Pillow fight were Nobody got hurt.

[Notorious C.L.E.]

No. The Bears shouldn't get rid of Grossman.

There are no options in free agency that upgrade the position and the Draft does not present any alternatives that could be brought in for an immediate upgrade. Will he be Tom Brady or Peyton Manning? No. Will he improve next year? That is to be determined. If I was running the Bears, I would be hesistant to give Brian Griese the reigns because he has proved to be nothing more than a good bullpen quarterback. Do I personally think Rex Grossman will amount to a good starting quarterback? No; however, I want to be sure before I make any drastic moves.

[Lefty Noob]

Would David Carr be an upgrade from Grossman in your view, CLE? I think he would be - he's a good QB who's career has been plaqued by o-line problems, and I think if Houston cuts him, he WOULD be an upgrade from Grossman, at least at this point in their respective careers. Now whether or not the Bears opt to go in that direction is to be seen...

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

Would David Carr be an upgrade from Grossman in your view, CLE? I think he would be - he's a good QB who's career has been plaqued by o-line problems, and I think if Houston cuts him, he WOULD be an upgrade from Grossman, at least at this point in their respective careers. Now whether or not the Bears opt to go in that direction is to be seen...

Carr would be a total upgrade from Rex...Carr is in the mold of Archie Manning...a good QB stuck in one hell of a bad team...

[Notorious C.L.E.]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

Would David Carr be an upgrade from Grossman in your view, CLE? I think he would be - he's a good QB who's career has been plaqued by o-line problems, and I think if Houston cuts him, he WOULD be an upgrade from Grossman, at least at this point in their respective careers. Now whether or not the Bears opt to go in that direction is to be seen...

I'm not totally sold that Carr is a good quarterback just yet. I don't think anyone can argue that his offensive line isn't porous, but he has the uncanny ability to walk into the rush too. He makes some pretty questionable decisions and his confidence is shaken to put it mildly. That said, everyone has their flaws and Carr has never had talent to work with outside Andre Johnson.

The details would have to be hammered out, and ultimately, the Bears would have to give up something as well, which I don't think Jerry Angelo would do.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Notorious C.L.E.

I'm not totally sold that Carr is a good quarterback just yet. I don't think anyone can argue that his offensive line isn't porous, but he has the uncanny ability to walk into the rush too. He makes some pretty questionable decisions and his confidence is shaken to put it mildly. That said, everyone has their flaws and Carr has never had talent to work with outside Andre Johnson.

The details would have to be hammered out, and ultimately, the Bears would have to give up something as well, which I don't think Jerry Angelo would do.

now, now CLE is there anyone you are happy with?...you are begining to sound like my buddy Legend...with a line that as you say is porous, what exactly would you like my boy Dave to do???...he can run some...but hell...The boy has shown steady progress, and completed 68 perecent of his passes this past season...this despite taking 249 sacks in only 76 games!...I say his confidence is fine...just get him a line...

[Notorious C.L.E.]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

now, now CLE is there anyone you are happy with?...you are begining to sound like my buddy Legend...with a line that as you say is porous, what exactly would you like my boy Dave to do???...he can run some...but hell...The boy has shown steady progress, and completed 68 perecent of his passes this past season...this despite taking 249 sacks in only 76 games!...I say his confidence is fine...just get him a line...

I don't mind him running; however, you cannot pin every sack on the offensive line. He refuses to throw the ball away and would rather hold onto it for a sack. When a tackle is expecting you to be in the pocket and you free lance into an undesigned rollout, you cannot fault the tackle, that is football 101.

His completion percentage has always been very misleading. So many of his passes come from little dump offs. I think he is a plus 60% passer, but nowhere near 70% when he isn't so gunshy.

Watching him, you can tell that his confidence is shaken. Look at a quarterbacks eyes, they tell everything. Before the snap, he looks like a deer in the headlights at times.

I'm not saying that Carr is a bust, just that you cannot watch the Texans and pin all thier offensive woes on the line. I liked him coming out of Fresno State because he had a lot of physical tools. I hope he works out.