[bears9]

Affliction's debut show called banned is next Saturday, so let's make picks.

Welterweight Bout: Mike Pyle will defeat JJ Ambrose via submission (rear naked choke) in Round 2

Middleweight Bout: Patrick Speight will defeat Justin Levens via decision

Lightweight Bout: Mark Hominick will defeat Trenell Young via TKO in Round 3

Light Heavyweight Bout: Antonio Rogerio Nogueria will defeat Edwin Dewees via decision

Middleweight Bout: Terry Martin will defeat Vitor Belfort via TKO in Round 2

Heavyweight Bout: Aleksander Emelianenko will defeat Paul Buentello via TKO in Round 1

Light Heavyweight Bout: Mike Whitehead will defeat Renato Sobral via TKO in Round 1

Middleweight Bout: Matt Lindland will defeat Fabio Negao via submission (guillotine) in Round 2

Heavyweight Bout: Andrei Arlovski will defeat Ben Rothwell via KO in Round 1

Heavyweight Bout: Josh Barnett will defeat Pedro Rizzo via TKO in Round 2

Heavyweight Bout: Fedor Emelianenko will defeat Tim Sylvia via submission (arm bar) in Round 3

[bears9]

Fedor was great, 36 second rear naked choke on Sylvia to re-establish himself as the world's best at Heavyweight.

Other than that nothing really special knockouts for both Barnett and Arlovski

[mervinout]

Originally Posted by bears9

Fedor was great, 36 second rear naked choke on Sylvia to re-establish himself as the world's best at Heavyweight.

Other than that nothing really special knockouts for both Barnett and Arlovski

do you think this organization can keep up with UFC, i just don't see it,

[bears9]

Originally Posted by mervinout

do you think this organization can keep up with UFC, i just don't see it,

I think with the fighters they have if they went with regular TV, HDNet, Spike, Showtime, etc. They could have, but going with a PPV was the kiss of death, because Affliction doesn't have the three letters that sells PPVs, U.F.C. Plus they have a lot of big name fighters and I don't know exact numbers but I doubt they got anything of 50,000 PPV buys which probably barely pays their fighters because of the huge contracts. But they say they have the cash for at least two more shows (one in October or November and one in January)

So fighter wise, yeah I bet they could, but money, I don't they will be able to keep putting on shows like Saturday's if they keep the same PPV plan. So I don't know yet

[mervinout]

Originally Posted by bears9

I think with the fighters they have if they went with regular TV, HDNet, Spike, Showtime, etc. They could have, but going with a PPV was the kiss of death, because Affliction doesn't have the three letters that sells PPVs, U.F.C. Plus they have a lot of big name fighters and I don't know exact numbers but I doubt they got anything of 50,000 PPV buys which probably barely pays their fighters because of the huge contracts. But they say they have the cash for at least two more shows (one in October or November and one in January)

So fighter wise, yeah I bet they could, but money, I don't they will be able to keep putting on shows like Saturday's if they keep the same PPV plan. So I don't know yet

to be honest i just want one organization if its a monopoly then so be it. But i hate in boxing you dont know who the real champ of each weight class is

[bears9]

Originally Posted by mervinout

to be honest i just want one organization if its a monopoly then so be it. But i hate in boxing you dont know who the real champ of each weight class is

So do I, I like having a good card every weekend, but everyone knows who is the best. The UFC, with WEC close behind. The UFC has the world's best at 205, 185, 170 without a doubt, they probably they have the best at 155 too unless anyone wants make a case for some of the guys out at Dream. Or than Fedor at Heavyweight the UFC is hands down the best,

I would like one place, but there is only organization out there that is elite and that is the UFC.

[Lefty Noob]

At least in boxing, though, it is possible for people to fight in multiple organizations, hold multiple titles. Ultimate fighting has the worst of both worlds... multiple champions with a WWF-like disgregard of competitors and forced exclusivity. That's what I think I'd like to see change.

[bears9]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

At least in boxing, though, it is possible for people to fight in multiple organizations, hold multiple titles. Ultimate fighting has the worst of both worlds... multiple champions with a WWF-like disgregard of competitors and forced exclusivity. That's what I think I'd like to see change.

Some guys do fight in multiple organizations, just not UFC guys, because the UFC makes guys sign exclusive contracts, but like Nick Diaz he will fight for the EliteXC Lightweight title probably in October and the Dream Welterweight title in September.

The UFC guys are the only guys who sign exclusive contracts, even Fedor who fought on this Affliction card, wants another Affliction in October, than a fight with I don't know who it is in Florida in November than one more at Yaknorra on New Year's Eve.

So it can happen.

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by bears9

Some guys do fight in multiple organizations, just not UFC guys, because the UFC makes guys sign exclusive contracts, but like Nick Diaz he will fight for the EliteXC Lightweight title probably in October and the Dream Welterweight title in September.

The UFC guys are the only guys who sign exclusive contracts, even Fedor who fought on this Affliction card, wants another Affliction in October, than a fight with I don't know who it is in Florida in November than one more at Yaknorra on New Year's Eve.

So it can happen.

Okay, sorry... guess that kind of betrays my ignorance of the sport. I didn't realize the UFC were the only one who used exclusive deals.

[bears9]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

Okay, sorry... guess that kind of betrays my ignorance of the sport. I didn't realize the UFC were the only one who used exclusive deals.

Well, I guess UFC isn't the only ones, but they are the only who signs everyone of their fighters to do exclusive deals, I know Kimbo's Pro Elite deal is exclusive. But UFC is the only one where every last fight has exculsive deals.

[mervinout]

Originally Posted by bears9

So do I, I like having a good card every weekend, but everyone knows who is the best. The UFC, with WEC close behind. The UFC has the world's best at 205, 185, 170 without a doubt, they probably they have the best at 155 too unless anyone wants make a case for some of the guys out at Dream. Or than Fedor at Heavyweight the UFC is hands down the best,

I would like one place, but there is only organization out there that is elite and that is the UFC.

thats cause UFC owns WEC i belive, or why else would you see them able to put promotions up during UFC PPV's

[mervinout]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

At least in boxing, though, it is possible for people to fight in multiple organizations, hold multiple titles. Ultimate fighting has the worst of both worlds... multiple champions with a WWF-like disgregard of competitors and forced exclusivity. That's what I think I'd like to see change.

Dana White doesnt protect his champions, he gets the best fighters to fight the best fighters, so if the UFC has the best fighters, then you know who the best is. In boxing, theres like 10 belts in each weight class who really knows whose the best is.

There is only one divison that the UFC offers that doesnt have a champion who cant be considered one of the best in an argument, and thats the heavyweight, silva st piere BJ penn and will see with forrest but we can make the argument there all the best in the world in there divison, and i can only make the case for forrest cause all the best LH in the world really are in UFC IMO

[ninerfan1indahouse]

Fedor is the best pound for pound fighter in the world.Dana needs to address his heavyweight division,everybody likes a good heavyweight fight.

[bears9]

Originally Posted by ninerfan1indahouse

Fedor is the best pound for pound fighter in the world.Dana needs to address his heavyweight division,everybody likes a good heavyweight fight.

Yep, but Nogueira vs. Frank Mir? That is an ok regular heavyweight bout but for the title? Not in my life. Affliction's card with all the great heavyweights was great, hey even Adrenaline has better heavyweights than the UFC.

The only bright spots for the UFC in the heavyweight division is future stars Shane Corwin, Brock Lesnar, and Cain Velasquez