[Lefty Noob]

Boston Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling tossed seven innings in yesterday's 6-4 win over the Tampa Bay Devil Rays, becoming the eighth active member of the 200-win club. He allowed four runs and eight hits while fanning seven and earning his fourth 'W' in five starts.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

Boston Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling tossed seven innings in yesterday's 6-4 win over the Tampa Bay Devil Rays, becoming the eighth active member of the 200-win club. He allowed four runs and eight hits while fanning seven and earning his fourth 'W' in five starts.

What does he need to do to make the Hall now?...300 wins is automatic until a pitcher comes along and wins 300 while losing 450...but +200 with some other good stats etc...well...what else will he need?

[legend]

Schilling is not a Hall of Famer. 7 of his 18 seasons are losing seasons and 1 is .500. If you let him in with 200, you will need to build another wing on the Hall for guys lie Jim Kaat and Tommy John, with well over 200, and guys like David Wells and Mike Mussina.

[Lefty Noob]

I'm with legend on this one, DK. There's nothing Schilling can do at this point, short of playing until he's 80, to make the Hall of Fame. The guy's got a winning percentage of roughly .600, has never won a Cy Young Award and statistically baseball-reference.com compares him to such heavyweights as David Cone, Kevin Brown, Jimmy Key, John Candelaria and Bob Welch. Nope, that ain't HOF material.

[simple simon]

im glad im not the only one that thought getting to 200 was a not a big deal

1Cy Young511Cleveland (NL), St. Louis (NL), Boston (AL), Cleveland (AL), Boston (NL)1890-1911

2Walter Johnson417Washington (AL)1907-27

3Grover "Pete" Alexander373Philadelphia (NL), Chicago (NL), St. Louis (NL)1911-30Christy Mathewson373N.Y. Giants, Cincinnati (NL)1900-16

5Jim "Pud" Galvin364St. Louis (NL), Buffalo (PL), Pittsburgh1875-92

6Warren Spahn363Boston/Milwaukee, New York (NL), San Francisco1942-65

7Kid Nichols361Boston (NL), St. Louis (NL), Philadelphia (NL)1890-1906

8Tim Keefe342Troy, New York (AA), N.Y. Gothams/Giants, Philadelphia (NL)1880-93

9Roger Clemens†341Boston (AL), Toronto, New York (AL), Houston (NL)1984-

10Steve Carlton329St. Louis (NL), Philadelphia (NL), Chicago (AL), San Francisco, Cleveland (AL), Minnesota1965-88

11John Clarkson328Worcester, Chicago (NL), Boston (NL), Cleveland (NL)1882-94

12Eddie Plank326Philadelphia (AL), St. Louis (FL), St. Louis (AL)1901-17

13Nolan Ryan324New York (NL), California, Houston, Texas1966, 1968-93Don Sutton324Los Angeles, Houston, Milwaukee (AL), California, Oakland1966-88

15Greg Maddux†323Atlanta, Chicago (NL)1986-

16Phil Niekro318Milwaukee/Atlanta, New York (AL), Cleveland (AL), Toronto1964-1987

17Gaylord Perry314San Francisco, Cleveland (AL), Texas, San Diego, New York (AL), Atlanta, Seattle, Kansas City1962-83

18Tom Seaver311New York (NL), Cincinnati (NL), Chicago (AL), Boston (AL)1967-86

19Charley Radbourn309Providence, Boston (NL), Boston (AA), Cincinnati (NL)1881-91

20Mickey Welch307Troy, N.Y. Gothams/Giants1880-92


he isnt even in the top 100


isnt google great

[legend]

In this day and age, 200 is a solid accomplishment. Precious few on that list did it in 5 man rotations; several of them pitched in 4 man rotations, and some of them pitched even more than that. 250 is going to be what 300 was in terms of pitching wins.

[MJHMarc]

Greg Maddux began his career in '86 and he has 323 wins to date. In comparison, Curt Schilling began his career in '88 and has 200 wins on the dot.

I just wanted to leave that bit of information with you.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by legend

In this day and age, 200 is a solid accomplishment. Precious few on that list did it in 5 man rotations; several of them pitched in 4 man rotations, and some of them pitched even more than that. 250 is going to be what 300 was in terms of pitching wins.

That's what I am saying...if Schilling gets in 3-5 solid seasons (IF he has that left)...in this day and age, he merits a bit of consideration...not a lot mind you...but the bar should not be 300...and while I am at it...I rather see him in than Don Sutton...

[MJHMarc]

Don Sutton had a great career. In 22 marvelous season he accumulated 324 wins. Sure the statistics may not be great, but he deserves honorable mention. That is why he was inducted into the Hall of Fame in '98.

Schilling also has a great career going for him. But you honestly cannot compare a player from the 60's and 70's to the new age of the 90's and the new millenium.

That is like comparing Jackie Robinson to Alfonso Soriano, or Willie Mays to Johnny Damon. It is impossible to compare such talent of the ages.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by MJHMarc

Don Sutton had a great career. In 22 marvelous season he accumulated 324 wins. Sure the statistics may not be great, but he deserves honorable mention. That is why he was inducted into the Hall of Fame in '98.

Schilling also has a great career going for him. But you honestly cannot compare a player from the 60's and 70's to the new age of the 90's and the new millenium.

That is like comparing Jackie Robinson to Alfonso Soriano, or Willie Mays to Johnny Damon. It is impossible to compare such talent of the ages.

Come on now...go back to the "Apples and Oranges posts" that I use to make before your day in the sun Marc-man....you can indeed compare...and I would give the ball to Schilling to pitch a game over Sutton any day of the week and twice on Sunday...Sutton just hung around a while, and was a decent pitcher...The Hall should not be a place for those who just managed to "hang around a while"...

And for the record Robinson in a land slide over Soriano...and Damon is a glorified bat boy next to Willie Mays (arguably the best player of all-time, with apologies to Dimaggio, the crippled Mantle, and the Babe)

[legend]

Schilling is on record as saying next year is his last.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by legend

Schilling is on record as saying next year is his last.

Pity then if it turns out to be true...though he is pitching rather well...I would much rather see him go another 3 years...and getin a good 50 victories...

For arguemnt sake...the great Whitey Ford ended at 236 career victories...1,956 K's and a 2.75 ERA

Schilling is at 200 Wins, 2,897 K's and a 3.41 ERA...not far fetch to say that if he hangs around 3 more years he could be considered for the hall...

And for those who would argue Whitey's .690 Winning PCT or 10 World Series Victory, that had a lot to do with the Yankee Teams he was on...Schillings winning PCT is far superior than Nolan Ryan's....

[MJHMarc]

I am not debating whether Curt Schilling will be debated into the Hall of Fame. Most-likely he will earn himself a spot due to his excellent performances throughout the years. Nobody can forget the 2004 World Series run, can they?

The Hall should not be a place for those who just managed to "hang around a while"

So does that mean that Randy Johnson won't be inducted into the Hall of Fame?

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by MJHMarc

I am not debating whether Curt Schilling will be debated into the Hall of Fame. Most-likely he will earn himself a spot due to his excellent performances throughout the years. Nobody can forget the 2004 World Series run, can they?



So does that mean that Randy Johnson won't be inducted into the Hall of Fame?

Johnson would be in long before Curt ever shows up...

[MJHMarc]

Not exactly, Gotham Dark Knight. No hard feelings, there. I was surprised myself when I did a little research.

Curt Schilling (39) made his MLB debut in 1988 with the Baltimore Orioles.

Randy Johnson (42) made his MLB debut in 1988 with the Montreal Expos.