[EmpireWF]

By all accounts, the Boston Red Sox want Johan Santana to improve their already great rotation. HOWEVER, there is a hold up with the Twins. Minnesota wants Ellsbury as part of the deal (along with John Lester) but Boston is dead set against trading him. Instead they want to include Coco Crisp and other good prospects.

We'll see whether Boston can get Santana without giving up Ellsbury...I doubt it.

[LSC9901]

I say keep Ellsbury.

[bears9]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I say keep Ellsbury.

In a year with Andruw Jones and Aaron Rowand still available, they can aford to deal Ellsbury to get Santana

[simple simon]

the way i hear it Santana and Ortiz are real good friends ... and Santana has a no trade clause ...... im thinking he will veto any other trade to go to Boston

[ginahunt3]

I say keep Coco & Ellsbury. Ellsbury is awesome at what he does, but he doesn't play CF as well as Coco, yet. The way I see it is, Ellsbury can move to LF when ManRam needs a rest or just when he's being Manny. Ellsbury has alot of potential, but he doesn't have the finesse Coco has. Now with the 2 of them, plus Lugo, we have something I don't ever remember having...speed! As far as Lester is concerned, I like him BUT, he doesn't have the stamina necessary for a starter. I doubt Gagne will be back, why not put him as a reliever & see how he does during the beginning of the season (we can always use a reliever who can give a few innings). Santana would make a great rotation, even better, but I don't recall him in the post-season. My point being we won the championship with determination & hardwork, together as a team. There wasn't any one player who did more than the others, that is what Red Sox Nation Pride is all about.

[LSC9901]

Hi Gina and welcome to GTG. Obviously you are a person of great taste if you enjoy the "World Champion Red Sox". There are a few of us here on GTG so you are not alone by any means. Please also tell me that you are a Celtics and Pat's fan also.

[Lefty Noob]

ESPN this morning is reporting that a deal is close, and that it does NOT include Ellsbury. The general consensus is that the Twins aren't going to get any better deals, because neither the Sox nor the Yanks are willing to part with any Grade-A prospects (Ellsbury, Chamberlain, etc.) and Minnesota's starting to realize that this is the best they can do. Think it'll happen?

[EmpireWF]

I can't see Minnesota settling on any package right now. There's still plenty of time, even enough to get the Dodgers involved.

[ThePundit]

Originally Posted by EmpireWF

I can't see Minnesota settling on any package right now. There's still plenty of time, even enough to get the Dodgers involved.

The Dodgers don't have any kind of pitcher with the youth and potential of Phil Hughes.

[EmpireWF]

But they have a better combo of prospects, pitching and offense.

[ginahunt3]

If the Red Sox give up anybody it should be Gagne. I know he is a good pitcher, but he is not a good fit (in Boston). Maybe it's a woman thing but when any of our relievers come out of the bullpen, I feel something. Kind of proud & confident. When Gagne is up I get a feeling of dread. As far as Ellsbury going anywhere, if that happens, the management need to go to rehab because they gotta be on something. Now there's Chamberlain, first lets start by saying he's a joke. He throws 3 pitches & can't work again for a week. I don't know if he gave up any earned runs other than the one all Red Sox fans should remember. The first one Joba ever gave up. The home run to the real A.L. MVP, Mike Lowell. We don't need too many changes. I believe in the team we ended the season with. Isn't that what the BoSox are all about... BELIEVING!


"Fenway Park & the Green Monster
AGELESS
Seven World Series Titles
TIMELESS
Disdain for the Yankees
LIMITLESS
Red Sox Nation Pride
PRICELESS!!!"

[azrael492]

I don't really think New York will let the Red Sox get Santana. They would not be able to beat them next year either.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by azrael492

I don't really think New York will let the Red Sox get Santana. They would not be able to beat them next year either.

My prediction is that the Yanks won't do it with or without Santana.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

My prediction is that the Yanks won't do it with or without Santana.

I don't know LSC, the best lefty in the league is a whopping big step towards a championship...that team can still hit...and Santana might entice further pitching talent to come over.

[EmpireWF]

Latest news is Boston has included Ellsbury in their offer, but taken Lester out. Rotoworld doesn't think that deal is enough to get Santana though.

If Boston includes both Ellsbury and Lester in their deal, they get Santana ASAP.