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Old 03-01-2006, 11:57 PM
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A thought hit me the other day as I looked over the numbers that have been retired by the Boston Red Sox's over the years, and I'd like to share that thought with Red Sox's fans everywhere. My thought is a rather simple one, and one that I think has its share of poetic beauty, and that is, "Boston should retire Bill Buckner's number and put it right out there with the retired numbers of William's famed #9, Fisk's #27, Yaz's #8, Cronin's #4, and Doerr's #1."

It’s a most modest proposal I believe, and one, which I think, has merit if you would only hear me out. Yes, yes, I know what you are thinking, "its pure madness," Or better yet, its an insult to Red Sox's fan everywhere, and a snub to the likes of Dwight Evans, Jim Rice, Freddie Lynn, or Roger Clemens all of which at first glance are more deserving the honor.

But once cooler heads prevail, you may see that there is method to my utter madness. My friends, Bill Buckner is every Red Sox fan I know. He is a classy, gritty guy with a stellar career that is remembered for falling short. He is the poster boy for "Wait til next year." He is a statue erected to the noble and good that have to weather the slings and arrows of personal adversity. In short he is every Red Sox fan I know.

Second, there is the matter of forgiveness. It’s over. The curse has been broken, it’s time for the healing to begin. It's time to extend the olive branch, and hang the jersey number on the wall. Forgiveness is divine, and you are not Philadelphia fans are you? No, you come with an air of class and personal honor. You have suffered and survived, and done it with class. It is therefore a classy move to do what's only right. Take the albatross from around his neck and bury it. Do it with a measure of honor.

But hey, least you think this is a pity offer to poor Bill, why don't we examine his numbers next to some of the players on that wall. Before we do that, we can take the immortal Ted Williams and leave him out of the equation. His achievements belong in another realm, one in which mortals are persona non grata. So granted, Buckner does not have Teddy Ballgame numbers, but then again who does?

But lets compare him to the others. Bobby Doerr, old number 1. Doerr who played 14 seasons all with the Sox collected 2042 lifetime hits, 1247 RBI’s, and a, .288 average. All comparable to Buckner, who having played 22 seasons, collected 2715 hits, 1208 RBI’s and had a .289 AVG. True Bobby played Second Base and was a 9 time All-Star, but you still can’t take away the fact that his overall stats are not that much better than Bill’s.

Then there is Joe Cronin, who played with two other teams before settling into Boston. Joe collected 2,285 hits, 1233 runs and batted .301 during his career. Again, those stats are not much better than Buckner who had 1077 runs to go along with his hits and average.

That leaves us with two of Boston’s golden sons, the duo of Yastrzemski and Fisk. May I point out that neither has a higher lifetime batting average than Buckner Fisk weights in at .269 and Carl at a nifty .285. What’s more Fisk played half of his career in Chicago.

What’s that? Fisk hit that memorable shot against the Reds in 1975, and Buckner booted the grounder? Guess what? Both series went to a game seven and both times Boston lost.

What remains then? What’s that? Bill only spent five years in Boston? Well look at your wall, it has Jackie Robinson’s famous number 42 on it. Can I ask how many of them were played in a Red Sox uniform?

So lets admit it. He is not there because of the grounder right? The one that got away right? The man had one bad night at work, and we are going to hold a grudge for twenty years, right? Ever had an off day at work? Fair to judge you for the rest of your career for it? Fair for your co-workers to deny you your 401-K plan for it? No? Really? Then give the guy a break. Yes, he booted the grounder, and the city of Boston got tons and tons of press, sympathy, and fame for it. Lets call it even. Lets give the man a place on your wall once and for all. Show the rest of America what Boston is all about. Lets retire Bill Buckner’s number.

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Re: Retired Numbers

The Sox have requirements for players to have their number retired: he must have spent spent 10 years with the Sox and he must be in the Baseball HOF. So, there's probably not a very good chance of Buckner seeing his number up there.
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The Sox have requirements for players to have their number retired: he must have spent spent 10 years with the Sox and he must be in the Baseball HOF. So, there's probably not a very good chance of Buckner seeing his number up there.
My passionate "AI should have his shot at the 2008 games" friend...Is time for a new "Revolution in Boston"...things can change...rules can bend...its not etched in stone that there rule...you can give him the honor for a day....you can called his numbered jinxed and unwearable anyway...expand your vision my good man...start the petition..."Lets make it Right!"...
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i really wouldn't care if they did or didn't retire buckner's number based on buckner, but i wouldn't want them to do it because if they retire him, then hey have to retire rice, tiant, eck, tony c, and on and on. i like that they only have 5 numbers retired. look at the celtics, they barely have enough numbers left to give to their roster. or the yankees. it's a lot bigger honor when the red sox retire a number. i'd rather keep it that way.
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i really wouldn't care if they did or didn't retire buckner's number based on buckner, but i wouldn't want them to do it because if they retire him, then hey have to retire rice, tiant, eck, tony c, and on and on. i like that they only have 5 numbers retired. look at the celtics, they barely have enough numbers left to give to their roster. or the yankees. it's a lot bigger honor when the red sox retire a number. i'd rather keep it that way.
Good Post...Exclusive is good...but why if one gets in do the others have to follow automatically?...How about a simple ring of honor around Fenway Park for the rest?...Why does it have to be one or the other?...
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There's more of a chance that the Cubs will retire Steve Bartman's head phones than the Sox retiring Buckner's number.
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There's more of a chance that the Cubs will retire Steve Bartman's head phones than the Sox retiring Buckner's number.
Pundit!...You Pureist you!...Come on now think outside that box you find yourself in...Boston needs to heal...Buckner needs to heal...I am just offering a settlement for the two...and silly man, the Cubs can only do that once Bartman actually makes a plate appearance...which, hey...don't they need some hitting?...it can happen!
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Don't get me wrong Gotham - I always liked Buckner and thought he got a bad rap for that one play. But while your intentions are honorable, you might get the poor guy killed.

Put it this way: It wouldn't be the optimal time to make it Bill Buckner retirement night and give away free baseballs to the first 15,000 fans who went through the turnstiles. Just let the guy be.
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Don't get me wrong Gotham - I always liked Buckner and thought he got a bad rap for that one play. But while your intentions are honorable, you might get the poor guy killed.

Put it this way: It wouldn't be the optimal time to make it Bill Buckner retirement night and give away free baseballs to the first 15,000 fans who went through the turnstiles. Just let the guy be.
Pundit, I think the fans in Boston are a class act...infact that is a terrific idea...we can honor the man on Bill Buckner baseball night!...what a fantastic give away...the ball that says, "Bill this one is for you!...for the one that got away...we got your back now brother!"...Thanks Pundit!...Now you are thinking outside the box brother!..Props to you!
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Good Post...Exclusive is good...but why if one gets in do the others have to follow automatically?...How about a simple ring of honor around Fenway Park for the rest?...Why does it have to be one or the other?...

i'm guessing if the red sox retired buckner's #, then the fan outcry of him being selected over rice, tony c etc. - will force the red sox to retire the rest. and it will get out of hand. so like i said, i have no big problem with buckner being honored, just think of a different way to do it.
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i'm guessing if the red sox retired buckner's #, then the fan outcry of him being selected over rice, tony c etc. - will force the red sox to retire the rest. and it will get out of hand. so like i said, i have no big problem with buckner being honored, just think of a different way to do it.
I See, crowd control...or better yet to quote the movie The Incredibles, "If everyone is super, than no one is"...I mean its a valid point...sort of...but you know, numbers can go much higher than 99...I mean technically a player can wear 102, 186, 519...you know...no shortage of them...and they can paint the number on the wall smaller...sooo...really...If they wanted to make it right...they could...
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What remains then? What’s that? Bill only spent five years in Boston? Well look at your wall, it has Jackie Robinson’s famous number 42 on it. Can I ask how many of them were played in a Red Sox uniform?

But every team in the MLB has 42 hung up, right? So, I think that is probably a poor argument in favor.

Lots of great players go through teams' rosters, they can't retire all the numbers.
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But every team in the MLB has 42 hung up, right? So, I think that is probably a poor argument in favor.

Lots of great players go through teams' rosters, they can't retire all the numbers.

One man's poor argument is another man's way of saying, "the rule is already bent or broken...so waive that 10 year in uniform rule that is keeping my man Buckner off that famed wall!"

Way to dig up an old, old thread...especially one I wrote...kudos for you...
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