[ThePundit]

He's so sad.

Pete Rose reiterated yesterday that he bet on the Reds "every night" when he managed them - a reflection, he said, of his confidence in his players.

But John Dowd, the man whose investigation brought down Rose in 1989, said that Rose, once again, was not being truthful. During the peak of Rose's gambling, Dowd said, he did not bet when Bill Gullickson and Mario Soto started.

When Rose didn't bet on his own team, Dowd said, "It was a signal to the bookmakers that the Reds were going to lose. It was a huge signal to them."

Rose's tale thorny? - Newsday.com

[EmpireWF]

Ugh, sometimes you wish the guy would just fade off into the sunset. He belongs in the HOF but everything he's done in the past 2 years has pretty much ended that hope (along with his name being taken off the ballot forever).

Just chill Pete, just chill.

[azrael492]

Exactly. He needs to jsut go away and keep his mouth shut for a while. I think after the original ban he had a chance at the hall, but every time he opens his mouth he gets further away.

[MJHMarc]

The less said, the better said.

[ThePundit]

Actually, the part about Gullickson makes sense because the Reds traded Gullickson to the Yankees for Dennis Rasmussen (Piniella was managing the Yankees back then and hated Rasmussen)..And Rose probably felt that Rasmussen was a pitcher he could win a bet with.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by ThePundit

Actually, the part about Gullickson makes sense because the Reds traded Gullickson to the Yankees for Dennis Rasmussen (Piniella was managing the Yankees back then and hated Rasmussen)..And Rose probably felt that Rasmussen was a pitcher he could win a bet with.

What year are we talking though?...Soto was the team ace 1982-85...why would he not bet on his ace?

I still like the man...If he had suffered from a different kind of addiction, he would be on the road to redemption not perdition...

Maybe he and Joe Jackson can make it to the "Alternate Hall of Fame"...though you know...we could put in there Sosa and Brett's cork bats, Gaylord Perry and his vaseline ball, etc...

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

What year are we talking though?...Soto was the team ace 1982-85...why would he not bet on his ace?

Yeah, that's what confuses me in all of this, too... I remember Soto being a darn good pitcher.

Rose, himself, I could care less about. He should be yesterday's news. Instead, he's like a bad burrito... he just keeps coming back up on you.

[ThePundit]

I would have to have been in 1986 or part of 1987. Gullickson pitched the full year for the Reds in '86 and was traded to the Yankees midway through '87.

[legend]

I have been around gamblers and the gambling business my entire adult life. Anyone that thinks Rose did not bet on and against his own team is fooling themself. Degenerate gamblers have no scruples when it comes to making a bet. If there was a way for him to have an edge, he took it, even if it meant trying to throw a game.

[MJHMarc]

Throw a game?

Throw away his future ambitions of making the HOF!

[Mike24]

Rose dosen't deserve to be in the HOF. I don't care how good his statistics are, he bet on baseball, and it was against the rules, and put a bad rep on MLB, and baseball in general. If Rose would shut his mouth for once, he may have a shot, but he shouldn't be in the HOF, and he shouldn't be allowed in MLB.

[MJHMarc]

The MLB did not know of his betting while he was active.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Rose dosen't deserve to be in the HOF. I don't care how good his statistics are, he bet on baseball, and it was against the rules, and put a bad rep on MLB, and baseball in general. If Rose would shut his mouth for once, he may have a shot, but he shouldn't be in the HOF, and he shouldn't be allowed in MLB.

Many a Hall of Famer bent rules, and Football HOF such as Paul Hornung bet on the game as well...its a bit of a double standard if you ask me...you can draw a line on shifting sand...

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

Many a Hall of Famer bent rules, and Football HOF such as Paul Hornung bet on the game as well...its a bit of a double standard if you ask me...you can draw a line on shifting sand...

Well yeah, like George Brett and the pinetar. But I'm talking about rules that are taken more seriously like betting on baseball. That is very uncalled for and still gives MLB a bad rep to this day. Rose had great statistics, but he did nothing for the good of MLB.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Well yeah, like George Brett and the pinetar. But I'm talking about rules that are taken more seriously like betting on baseball. That is very uncalled for and still gives MLB a bad rep to this day. Rose had great statistics, but he did nothing for the good of MLB.

now see, that's not true...he played the game with all the gusto of a little leaguer on the first day of spring...in a lot of ways, he was good for the game...

and under rules that are "taken more seriously"...does that include HOF Gaylord Perry doctoring the ball a whole career?...perhaps Ty Cobb being a racist throughout his career?...the steriod stacked stats of the mid 80's forward?...Mantle hitting dingers dead drunk?...

Come on now...yes, the man betted on the game...sure he broke the rules...and if voters don't want to put him in, that's their business...but lets not jump on the "hate wagon" cause its fashionable...