[EmpireWF]

Fox Sports (via the AP) has a story up today where an appeals court ruled in favor of the federal government. The ruling will allow the government to use the steroid data of nearly 100 players who tested positive in 2003.

As the article points out, the feds will be keen in looking for Barry Bonds' name. If he's one of the positive tests, he could be charged with perjury.

[simple simon]

how many other players are crapping small cows over this news ?

you know its only a matter of time before these names are "leaked" out, and i cant wait to hear who is on it

this could have a huge effect on this next season

you may wonder how it will effect the season as it wasnt against baseball rules at the time.........how about if Bonds name is on the list, he could be indicted and never break the record and be black-balled from the Hall Of Fame.........how about if Roger Clemens name is on the list, dont you think he would rather retire then face questions about that all season ?

[MJHMarc]

This truly has no significance on the game of baseball.

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by MJHMarc

This truly has no significance on the game of baseball.

are you serious ? ? ? ? ?

you think if it comes out that names like Bonds, Pujols, Clemens and Ortiz are on this list it will have no effect ?

get real........if they all decided to play in 2007 after news like that came out the media circus would be unprecedented

several of them would possibly have nervous breakdowns

[EmpireWF]

While I don't know what kind of names are among the 100, you'd think if there were any really big guys on there they would have already leaked. But I guess they were held in confidential as per the bargaining agreement.

You have to believe the MLBPA is pissed at this that the names will eventually come out after they were told the results would be held in confidential.

[Nuke]

This is an infringement on the players right to privacy. Guilty or innocent they were told this was an anonymous survey. How would you like it if asked if you used marijuana in your life for a survey at work and then have the feds take that and use it to prosecute you? That's the exact same scenario as what's happening in major league baseball. I guarantee you aint gonna get many more honest replies to surveys anymore! This country is truly turning into a police state.

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by Nuke

This is an infringement on the players right to privacy. Guilty or innocent they were told this was an anonymous survey. How would you like it if asked if you used marijuana in your life for a survey at work and then have the feds take that and use it to prosecute you? That's the exact same scenario as what's happening in major league baseball. I guarantee you aint gonna get many more honest replies to surveys anymore! This country is truly turning into a police state.

2 things
1) they were promised privacy by a body that had no right to promise it
2) there is a simple splution, dont break the rules and the laws
i would have no problem answering a question about smoking pot, as it is against the law and i dont do it

[Notorious C.L.E.]

Originally Posted by Nuke

This is an infringement on the players right to privacy. Guilty or innocent they were told this was an anonymous survey. How would you like it if asked if you used marijuana in your life for a survey at work and then have the feds take that and use it to prosecute you? That's the exact same scenario as what's happening in major league baseball. I guarantee you aint gonna get many more honest replies to surveys anymore! This country is truly turning into a police state.

Although I am not familiar with these specific circumstances, I would be willing to bet that they will not prosecute anyone not named Barry Bonds, wich would even be a stretch. As far as I know, a survey isn't admissable in a court of law as an admittance of guilt because it deals in hypotheticals. In order for them to prosecute, they would need concrete evidence, not evidence that is circumstantial at best. Perhaps someone can clarify?

I would classify this as a federal power play against steroids. Humiliation is the strongest deterrent. The names will get leaked, and the federal government wants them to get leaked. No more, no less. I would have to read the consenting opinion to determine if it is an infringement of civil liberties, but I personally do not mind it at all.

[EmpireWF]

Pointing this back to the players, I'm sure they will never again buckle at the knees as far as any drug testing goes after they were lied to here.

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by Notorious C.L.E.

Although I am not familiar with these specific circumstances, I would be willing to bet that they will not prosecute anyone not named Barry Bonds, wich would even be a stretch. As far as I know, a survey isn't admissable in a court of law as an admittance of guilt because it deals in hypotheticals. In order for them to prosecute, they would need concrete evidence, not evidence that is circumstantial at best. Perhaps someone can clarify?

I would classify this as a federal power play against steroids. Humiliation is the strongest deterrent. The names will get leaked, and the federal government wants them to get leaked. No more, no less. I would have to read the consenting opinion to determine if it is an infringement of civil liberties, but I personally do not mind it at all.

let me clear up one point
this isnt a question and answer survey
they took random urine samples from players to try and determine just how many in MLB were using steroids

SAN FRANCISCO -- With Barry Bonds still in their sights, federal investigators probing steroids in sports can now use the names and urine samples of about 100 Major League Baseball players who tested positive for performance enhancing drugs, following a ruling Wednesday from a federal appeals court.
ESPN.com - MLB - Court: Feds get MLB data

now im not sure if a drug test result can be used in court or not..........but, i would say this could have a huge impact if these names are all "leaked" out

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Witch Hunt...the Feds should not be involved...this all happened on Bud Seligs watch...for years he winked and turned the other way...now we have the Feds looking for a big name to nail to a cross...beautiful... I would start with Bud Selig...

[Nuke]

Originally Posted by EmpireWF

Pointing this back to the players, I'm sure they will never again buckle at the knees as far as any drug testing goes after they were lied to here.

Absofrigginlutely they won't!!!

[Nuke]

Originally Posted by simple simon

2 things
1) they were promised privacy by a body that had no right to promise it
2) there is a simple splution, dont break the rules and the laws
i would have no problem answering a question about smoking pot, as it is against the law and i dont do it

Not to stray away from the topic of sports but the bigger issue is though that the government would be breaking the law and the constitution to catch lawbreakers who are committing victimless crimes in sports and soon in people's daily lives. Smoking marijuana??? I don't do it to be honest but c'mon!!! I mean everyone knows someone that does or themselves do on occasion. Ever go to a rock concert??? Jeez!! When I went to see Aerosmith about 10 years ago at MSG it was like High Times magazine was having a convention! Infringement on peoples rights like this will one day lead to cops kicking the door in of somones home to find a non-existent nickel bag the cops merely suspected was in the house or some other mauling of our rapidly vanishing privacy and rights.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Nuke

Not to stray away from the topic of sports but the bigger issue is though that the government would be breaking the law and the constitution to catch lawbreakers who are committing victimless crimes in sports and soon in people's daily lives. Smoking marijuana??? I don't do it to be honest but c'mon!!! I mean everyone knows someone that does or themselves do on occasion. Ever go to a rock concert??? Jeez!! When I went to see Aerosmith about 10 years ago at MSG it was like High Times magazine was having a convention! Infringement on peoples rights like this will one day lead to cops kicking the door in of somones home to find a non-existent nickel bag the cops merely suspected was in the house or some other mauling of our rapidly vanishing privacy and rights.

Now there is a leap of faith...Come now, the government is only involve cause it's "high profile"...no use going George Orwell's Big Brother on us...give a concert enough press and they would...uhm...clean up the chaos...

Got to side with my buddy Simon on this...If there is a law, and said law is broken, there are consequences (speaking of drug use and other 'victimless crimes)...you should go about legally changing the law, not calling the nearest ACLU representitive...which has little to do with playing a name game with the press.

[Nuke]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

you should go about legally changing the law, not calling the nearest ACLU representitive

This I agree with you about GDK. I just think that it's time to stop with all the cameras, wiretaps and other liberties we're being robbed of for this president and his imaginary enemies. The hidden cameras are especially stupid and useless cuz the terrorists were ON THE AIRPORT CAMERAS so why is manhattan like sneaky camera land all of a sudden? Bush reminds me very much of Emperor Nero of Rome. Y'know...Nero the Mad???