Best Hitter in Baseball

Gotham Dark Knight · #16 (**permalink**) 03-02-2006, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by xdavidwattsx

Word, brother. Word.

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MVB · #17 (**permalink**) 03-02-2006, 09:29 AM

Thanks everyone!

The five year AVERAGES for all five players are:

Pujols: 40 HRs, 124 RBIs, and a .332 BA

Rodriguez: 48 HRs, 126 RBIs, and a .304 BA

Tejada: 30 HRs, 119 RBIs, and a .293 BA

Guerrero: 33 HRs, 106 RBIs, and a .325 BA

Rodrigueaz still has the most homers and RBIs, and Pujols is still the best hitter....

And by the way, Von Hayes BEST home-run total (for a regular season) was 26 HRs; in his best RBI year, he had a total of 98 RBIs; and his best BA was .305... So he doesn't compare to the other sluggers...

Gotham Dark Knight · #18 (**permalink**) 03-02-2006, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MVB

And by the way, Von Hayes BEST home-run total (for a regular season) was 26 HRs; in his best RBI year, he had a total of 98 RBIs; and his best BA was .305... So he doesn't compare to the other sluggers...

Yeah, but my man Von Hayes faced better pitching...you got to break it down further and take into account quality of pitching...26 HRs in the 80's was not too shabby...come on now...and he was not "chemically enhanced" if you know what I mean...so, you know...give the man a break...right?...right?...

legend · #19 (**permalink**) 03-02-2006, 04:54 PM

Few if any players in baseball have as many men on base in front of them as Rodriguez. There are probably 25 players in baseball that could record the number of RBI he has had in the last five years. Plus, you are comparing his numbers from year 7 thru 11 of his career- Pujols numbers are the first five years of his career. The difference in batting average is the most telling stat that you provided. Also, A-Rod has much better players protecting him in the order.

wedge · #20 (**permalink**) 03-02-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

Yeah, but my man Von Hayes faced better pitching...you got to break it down further and take into account quality of pitching...26 HRs in the 80's was not too shabby...come on now...and he was not "chemically enhanced" if you know what I mean...so, you know...give the man a break...right?...right?...

Von "Purple" Hayes is a legend! Of course I'm just a bias Phillies fan.

Gotham Dark Knight · #21 (**permalink**) 03-02-2006, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wedge

Von "Purple" Hayes is a legend! Of course I'm just a bias Phillies fan.

Yeah Wedge!...Can you believe this is a discussion of the Best Hitter in Baseball and all that comes up is a comparison of a-Rod vs Pujols?...I don't think the original thread is called who is better Pujols or A-Rod...

Come on guys, throw off those chains of conventional wisdom, stop crunching the mind nubbing numbers...which by the way keeps being HR, RBI, AVG...I mean what about hits?...sacrific bunts, hitting behind the count, hitting with men on base?...blah, blah, Pujols...blah...blah...A-Rod...blah...blah, blah RBI's...blah...

...give me a break!...

What about Ichiro?...or the altitude aided Helton?...the 3 straight 200 hit Michael Young?...the clutch hitting Ortiz, or Tejadas...nope!...blah...blah...blah...Pujols...bl ah...A-Rod...

Here is a stat for you...Tejadas batted a cool .750 with runners in scoring position while behind the count on sunny days in the Month of June...No?...how do you know?...all I see is "HR, RBIs, AVG, Pujols, A-Rod"...

Anybody Remeber PatTabler and what his batting average was with the bases load?...it was some ungodly figure...why don't we dig for a different stat...

Gotham Dark Knight · #22 (**permalink**) 03-04-2006, 06:39 PM

Gee, did we put this one to rest?...guess its Pujols world and A-Rod is justta visting...wish you guys had a bit more creativity in picking the best hitter...but hey, it is what it is...long live Pujols I guess...

Lefty Noob · #23 (**permalink**) 03-04-2006, 08:38 PM

Okay, Gotham, I've got one for you. How about the mighty and universally beloved Barry Bonds.

Hear me out on this one, folks. He's got a career 12.91 HR-to-AB ratio and he has created 2,501 runs during his career. Both are tops among active players. "But Lefty, what about his OPS?" you might be saying. Well, according to Baseball-Reference.com, Bonds Adjusted OPS+ number of 184 is once again No. 1 among all active players, with Pujols second at 169.

So how about it? Does Bonds belong in this argument?

Gotham Dark Knight · #24 (**permalink**) 03-04-2006, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

Okay, Gotham, I've got one for you. How about the mighty and universally beloved Barry Bonds.

Hear me out on this one, folks. He's got a career 12.91 HR-to-AB ratio and he has created 2,501 runs during his career. Both are tops among active players. "But Lefty, what about his OPS?" you might be saying. Well, according to Baseball-Reference.com, Bonds Adjusted OPS+ number of 184 is once again No. 1 among all active players, with Pujols second at 169.

So how about it? Does Bonds belong in this argument?

pssst, Lefty...Bonds is the best hitter in baseball, but no one gets past his personality on this site...look man, I'd like to back you on this pick, but I got a reputation as a wild and crazy guy to protect...so, I am going to have to dis you and say that Bonds just doesn't get enough at bats to qualify....no...don't argue that its because noooo one in their right mind would pitch to the guy...you can't sway me man...read the posts...this site is only an A-Rod or Pujols site...go peddal that weak Bonds stuff else where my good man, we ain't a gonna listen!

...oh, and thanks a bunch for not busting Wikipedia out on me on this one!

Mid-depth_Reporter · #25 (**permalink**) 03-05-2006, 11:45 AM

I hate going with the flow, but it's hard to really stick someone in the same league as Pujols and A-Rod. Thanks to MVB for crunching numbers, but here are a few more crucial stats to include.

2001:

Pujols - 93 SO, 69 BB
Rodriguez - 131 SO, 75 BB

2002:

Pujols - 69 SO, 72 BB
Rodriguez - 126 SO, 87 BB

2003:

Pujols - 65 SO, 79 BB
Rodriguez - 126 SO, 87 BB

2004:

Pujols - 52 SO, 84 BB
Rodriguez - 131 SO, 80 BB

2005:

Pujols - 65 SO, 97 BB
Rodriguez - 139 SO, 91 BB

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I definitely want the guy who hits for the higher average and puts the ball into play more than the other. Think about how many more RBI Rodriguez could produce with more pop-flys or sacrifice flyes, instead of SO.

As for another hitter in the leauge, Guerrero and Tejada are good, but Tejada isnt' consistent enough with average. As for Guererro, you could make a strong case. However, I think he sheds the light to not get the attention he deserves, which is good. Because it makes him that more dangerous of a hitter. I would put Guerrero before Rodriguez, though.

Can't believe I forgot him.

Gotham Dark Knight · #26 (**permalink**) 03-05-2006, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mid-depth_Reporter

I hate going with the flow, but it's hard to really stick someone in the same league as Pujols and A-Rod. Thanks to MVB for crunching numbers, but here are a few more crucial stats to include.

2001:

Pujols - 93 SO, 69 BB
Rodriguez - 131 SO, 75 BB

2002:

Pujols - 69 SO, 72 BB
Rodriguez - 126 SO, 87 BB

2003:

Pujols - 65 SO, 79 BB
Rodriguez - 126 SO, 87 BB

2004:

Pujols - 52 SO, 84 BB
Rodriguez - 131 SO, 80 BB

2005:

Pujols - 65 SO, 97 BB
Rodriguez - 139 SO, 91 BB

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I definitely want the guy who hits for the higher average and puts the ball into play more than the other. Think about how many more RBI Rodriguez could produce with more pop-flys or sacrifice flyes, instead of SO.

As for another hitter in the leauge, Guerrero and Tejada are good, but Tejada isnt' consistent enough with average. As for Guererro, you could make a strong case. However, I think he sheds the light to not get the attention he deserves, which is good. Because it makes him that more dangerous of a hitter. I would put Guerrero before Rodriguez, though.

Can't believe I forgot him.

And we are back to where we started...okay guys, if we have to dance to the same one note song...sure...lets dance to it...A-Rod vs Pujols it is...lacks imagination...but we have stats galore...

rossyj · #27 (**permalink**) 05-24-2008, 03:45 PM

albert pujols is better than arod for a couple reasons. arod is almost guaranteed to so more than 100 times a year pujols came close to that once in his first year and not close since. his slugging percentage is also better and on base percentage is better also. not to mention arod will choke when the big game is on the line, theres a reason he batted 8th in the playoffs. he might hit more home runs than pujols but that could change in the future also.so my vote is pujols all th way!

Lefty Noob · #28 (**permalink**) 05-24-2008, 04:22 PM

Hey, welcome to the forum, rossyj! Thanks for joining us!
I forgot about this old chestnut. So who's the best hitter in baseball circa 2008? Is it still A-Rod vs. Pujols?

Dusty · #29 (**permalink**) 05-24-2008, 05:22 PM

With the game on the line there's no deadlier hitter than Manny Ramirez. I say this as a Yankee fan as I watched him destroy us with his bat many many times. Just the sight of him at the plate scares me quite frankly.

Bryan88 · #30 (**permalink**) 05-24-2008, 07:19 PM

To me it's Pujols, look at those numbers and I believe he has the highest average park adjusted OPS+ over the past three years. IMO A-Rod was the best overall in 2007 (ops+ of 177), but his 3 year averages don't quite measure up to Pujols.

Albert Pujols

2005- .330 .430 .609
2006- .331 .431 .671
2007- .327 .429 .568

His 3 year average ops+ is 168, here are the yearly breakdowns;

2005- 168
2006- 178 led NL
2007- 157

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