[legend]

Morneau over Jeter for MVP, give me a break. I could have lived with Ortiz, but not this.

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

Sorry, no consolation prize this year.

Fret not, I'm sure Steinbrenner is frantically tearing his office apart, looking for his checkbook.

[EmpireWF]

Originally Posted by legend

Morneau over Jeter for MVP, give me a break. I could have lived with Ortiz, but not this.

I hope you're not a bitter Yankee fan. Let's take a look at the stats...

Morneau: .321 BA, .375 OBP, .559 SLG, 97 R, 190 H, 34 HR, 130 RBI in 592 ABs

Jeter: .344 BA, .417 OBP, ..483 SLG, 118 R, 214 H, 14 HR, 97 RBI in 623 ABs

I assume people looked at the following facts...

1) Morneau had 20 more home runs and 33 more RBI's.
2) Morneau led the Twins to overtake the Tigers and win the division while Jeter and the Yanks coasted for the last month of the half of the season
3) Jeter is flanked by all-stars and future hall of famers

[firefrozen]

This is not an anti yankee thing. Look at Morneau's stats, they are at least comprable if not better. Plus Morneau led the twins to a hard fought play off spot.

[MVB]

Guys, remember what the award is. MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. Morneau wasn't even the most valuable guy on his team ( Mauer and Santana did more for the Twins), but Jeter was by a mile. A-Rod didn't hit, Sheff and Matsui were injured, Cano hit the DL, Giambi was on and off, and the others trailed Jeter in every way.

The vote was close and Jeter lost because one voter put him in sixth place ( costing him several points). It was some guy in Chicago, Joe Cowley, I believe.

One anti-Jeter guy, and the most valuable player in the league, was robbed.

(Oh and talking stats, Jeter led Morneau in runs, hits, batting average, on base percentage, stolen bases, defense, walks, BA at home and away, doubles, triples, and BA with runners on. )

[EmpireWF]

Originally Posted by MVB

Guys, remember what the award is. MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. Morneau wasn't even the most valuable guy on his team ( Mauer and Santana did more for the Twins), but Jeter was by a mile. A-Rod didn't hit, Sheff and Matsui were injured, Cano hit the DL, Giambi was on and off, and the others trailed Jeter in every way.

The Twins came out of nowhere to win the division.

The Yanks important games ended in mid-August. And oh yeah, the Yanks would be nothing without Rivera. Without Jeter, they could still be a good playoff team.

[MVB]

Originally Posted by EmpireWF

The Twins came out of nowhere to win the division.

Possible to accomplish without Morneau...

Originally Posted by EmpireWF

And oh yeah, the Yanks would be nothing without Rivera.

You mean the closer that missed an entire month due to injuries? ( Rivera pitched fewer innings and games and recorded fewer strikeouts and saves then he did in 2004 or 2005.)

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by firefrozen

This is not an anti yankee thing. Look at Morneau's stats, they are at least comprable if not better. Plus Morneau led the twins to a hard fought play off spot.

Morneau had a horrible start to the season, I ended up cutting him from my fantasy team...his stats are good, but I don't see him taking out Ortiz and Jeters...and I had Ortiz over Jeters

[EmpireWF]

Originally Posted by MVB

Possible to accomplish without Morneau...

You mean the closer that missed an entire month due to injuries? ( Rivera pitched fewer innings and games and recorded fewer strikeouts and saves then he did in 2004 or 2005.)

Rivera did miss most of September...after the Yanks already locked up the division.

Morneau in September hit .348, 19 RBI and 40 hits and was the Twins hottest hitter when they needed him the most.

[MVB]

The Twins could not have won the division (or the wild card) without Johann Santana or without Joe Mauer. They'd be the MVPs of the team.

Can you believe Santana finished 7th?? And Vernon Wells finished 25th??? (Rivera finished 27th)

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by MVB

The Twins could not have won the division (or the wild card) without Johann Santana or without Joe Mauer. They'd be the MVPs of the team.

Can you believe Santana finished 7th?? And Vernon Wells finished 25th??? (Rivera finished 27th)

See I also thought Mauer had a better year...and was more valuable ot the team...

[Trashed]

I can't see someone with 14 homers getting an MVP in this day and age of "the big blast." Mind you I really loved the Wade Boggs type contact hitter who was near impossible to strike out. I also feel that Jeter should have gotten the MVP but my vote doesn't count. Having Morneau win the AL MVP is far better than Ortiz getting it who's doesn't play a position and simply swings for the moon. I guess people dont look to hitters Boggs, Puckett, Gwynn, etc. as exciting and IMO were the worse for it but it's still better than watching the current NFL product. Actually watching a rhinocerous have diarreha is better then the NFL in the 21st century!

[legend]

The Twins came out of nowhere? They were picked to challenge the White Sox for the division title. The Tigers came out of nowhere.
This award is always controversial, no matter who wins it. The bottom line is it should be voted on by the players and managers, with them not being able to vote for their won teammates and players, not by writers with agendas.

[MJHMarc]

Originally Posted by Trashed

simply swings for the moon

But hasn't David Ortiz ultimately hit a ball to the moon? Therefore, he is successful in his position.

[Trashed]

Originally Posted by MJHMarc

But hasn't David Ortiz ultimately hit a ball to the moon? Therefore, he is successful in his position.

Yes but his position is being seated on the bench except for about 5 times David Ortiz gets up to hit. Is that an MVP? I'm sure Jeter's and Morneau's fielding came into the debate as to who was the MVP but Ortiz had none cuz he'a a part timer. Now I know that's the whole DH debate but what i'm saying is if fielding comes into the MVP equation David Ortiz doesn't have a leg to stand on.