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Old 12-02-2006, 05:39 PM
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Re: Mike Shula Responds to Getting Fired

I think one of his problems was he was to good of a guy. He was to nice to the players and let them get away with whatever they wanted to do. Here are some other stats that I think are some of the other reasons that got him fired. He was just 2-15 against Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, LSU and Tennessee; 3-15 against SEC teams with winning records and 4-13 against nationally ranked teams. Against all teams with winning records, he's 8-19. Against all teams with losing records, he's 18-2. And in games decided by seven points or less, Shula's record is 5-12.

ALL THIS SAYS IS THAT HE CAN'T WIN THE BIG GAME CONSISTANTLY. HE HAS 26 WINS OVER HIS 4 YEARS AT ALABAMA. 18 OF THEM HAS COME AGAINST TEAMS WITH LOSING RECORDS. THIS IS HORRIBLE. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS ON PROBABTION, YOU SHOULD STILL DO BETTER THAN THAT. 5-12 WITH GAMES DECIDED BY 7 OR LESS POINTS; IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT TALENT YOU HAVE. WITH GAMES DECIDED BY 7 OR LESS POINTS IT COMES DOWN TO COACHING MOVES, NOT TALENT.
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Old 12-02-2006, 07:43 PM
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It is very unfortunate that Mike Shula was not allowed to continue. He will recover, I am sure. However, the egos and attitudes of the rednecks that are responsible for the Alabama program probably will not. Bear Bryant is DEAD and no one at Alabama is willing to admit it. He is from a former time in NCAA football and no one will ever establish a school like that again.

I am a graduate of that school and enjoyed 3 national championships while watching Namath, Stabler, etc. year after year. Alabama's program has serious problems that are, I fear, caused by the very people who are responsible for trying to bring the program back. They screwed it up and won't allow anyone the time to fix it. They think 6-6 is bad.....wait til the next few years.
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Alabama has corrected one of its biggest mistakes by firing Mike Shula as its head football coach.It's a shame it came to this because Shula should always have a special place in the hearts of Alabama football fans for his days as a quarterback of the Crimson Tide. The drive he conducted in the final seconds of the 1985 Auburn game to lead Alabama to victory remains one of the classic drives in Alabama football history.
He should be a hero. Instead, he's a symbol of failure and unfulfilled hopes.It is said that athletic director Mal Moore would have let Shula stay if he had been willing to make sweeping changes to his staff, but Shula refused to fire anyone and planning only to shuffle assignments. That might be true. If it is true, then Alabama made the right move but with the wrong motivation.
Shula needed to go. He was a mistake from the beginning. Four years ago Alabama hired an unqualified coach with the hopes that he would grow into the job. He did not. He was just as lost in the Auburn game as he ever was and that was with four years of experience behind him. He never grew. He was still as lost as he appeared the day he was hired and faced the news media in a disastrous opening press conference.There are some that say he did Alabama a favor when he took the job. Alabama was facing the effects of probation and that Shula rode in on a white horse as the salvation of the program. That is, so much fiction. It's not like Shula was the only coach who wanted the job. It is just that he was the most inexperienced coach who wanted the job. And it's not like he donated his services. Shula was paid well beyond his worth from day one. And what does he get now for going away now? Alabama will pay him $63,000 a month for the next four years not to work. Don't shed any tears for Shula. If the truth be known, Shula will be laughing every month when he cashes that check and heads for the golf course.For that kind of money, he can even afford to eat at Shula's Steak House a couple of times a month. Remember the old saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me"? Well Shula fooled 'em twice. Once when he got hired in the first place and second when he got the biggest raise and contract extension Alabama has ever given after having one winning season in his first three years.Shula did not do Alabama a favor by taking the job. Alabama did Shula the biggest favor of his life by hiring him and turning a soon-to-be out of work NFL assistant into a multi-millionaire. Alabama entrusted its program to Shula and Shula turned a team that was 10-3 the previous season into a 4-9 embarrassment, then a 6-6 and finally a 10-2 team in 2005. It was his high point, but he couldn't hold that level and slipped to 6-6 again this season.But Alabama, who has not shown a lot of common sense in hiring coaches over the past few years, did the right thing by pulling the plug on the coach that has taken the Alabama Crimson Tide to the point where it is only the fourth best team in the SEC West.Now that Shula is out, the next question is who will replace Shula? The normal names are being tossed about, but nobody knows for sure in which direction Mal Moore is looking other than Moore's directive that Alabama is going to conduct a national search and hire a proven head coach. Some media pundits would have you believe the Alabama job is not an attractive job any longer, but that's not true. Alabama is still Alabama. The traditions are still there. The facilities are about as good as there is any school in the country. And the first team the new coach will inherit is not without talent. In fact, there is enough talent on hand that with the right leadership Alabama could move back into a position of challenging for the SEC West championship as soon as next season.Alabama needs immediate authoritative leadership and discipline, two things that were missing during Shula's tenure. A proven head coach, not an inexperienced rookie, would immediately infuse these qualities into the Alabama football program, two things that were staples under the Paul Bryant regime and very much in evidence during Gene Stallings' tenure. They have been missing since and the program has suffered for it.If Alabama was content to be a middle of the road, average program in the mold of an Ole Miss or Mississippi State, then it could have given Mike Shula another four or five years to grow into the job, accepting the fact that it would not even challenge to be No. 1 in its own state. But if Alabama wants to be a contender for SEC and national honors again, then this move is about four years overdue.


Alabama has corrected one of its biggest mistakes by firing Mike Shula as its head football coach.It's a shame it came to this because Shula should always have a special place in the hearts of Alabama football fans for his days as a quarterback of the Crimson Tide. The drive he conducted in the final seconds of the 1985 Auburn game to lead Alabama to victory remains one of the classic drives in Alabama football history.
He should be a hero. Instead, he's a symbol of failure and unfulfilled hopes.It is said that athletic director Mal Moore would have let Shula stay if he had been willing to make sweeping changes to his staff, but Shula refused to fire anyone and planning only to shuffle assignments. That might be true. If it is true, then Alabama made the right move but with the wrong motivation.
Shula needed to go. He was a mistake from the beginning. Four years ago Alabama hired an unqualified coach with the hopes that he would grow into the job. He did not. He was just as lost in the Auburn game as he ever was and that was with four years of experience behind him. He never grew. He was still as lost as he appeared the day he was hired and faced the news media in a disastrous opening press conference.There are some that say he did Alabama a favor when he took the job. Alabama was facing the effects of probation and that Shula rode in on a white horse as the salvation of the program. That is, so much fiction. It's not like Shula was the only coach who wanted the job. It is just that he was the most inexperienced coach who wanted the job. And it's not like he donated his services. Shula was paid well beyond his worth from day one. And what does he get now for going away now? Alabama will pay him $63,000 a month for the next four years not to work. Don't shed any tears for Shula. If the truth be known, Shula will be laughing every month when he cashes that check and heads for the golf course.For that kind of money, he can even afford to eat at Shula's Steak House a couple of times a month. Remember the old saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me"? Well Shula fooled 'em twice. Once when he got hired in the first place and second when he got the biggest raise and contract extension Alabama has ever given after having one winning season in his first three years.Shula did not do Alabama a favor by taking the job. Alabama did Shula the biggest favor of his life by hiring him and turning a soon-to-be out of work NFL assistant into a multi-millionaire. Alabama entrusted its program to Shula and Shula turned a team that was 10-3 the previous season into a 4-9 embarrassment, then a 6-6 and finally a 10-2 team in 2005. It was his high point, but he couldn't hold that level and slipped to 6-6 again this season.But Alabama, who has not shown a lot of common sense in hiring coaches over the past few years, did the right thing by pulling the plug on the coach that has taken the Alabama Crimson Tide to the point where it is only the fourth best team in the SEC West.Now that Shula is out, the next question is who will replace Shula? The normal names are being tossed about, but nobody knows for sure in which direction Mal Moore is looking other than Moore's directive that Alabama is going to conduct a national search and hire a proven head coach. Some media pundits would have you believe the Alabama job is not an attractive job any longer, but that's not true. Alabama is still Alabama. The traditions are still there. The facilities are about as good as there is any school in the country. And the first team the new coach will inherit is not without talent. In fact, there is enough talent on hand that with the right leadership Alabama could move back into a position of challenging for the SEC West championship as soon as next season.Alabama needs immediate authoritative leadership and discipline, two things that were missing during Shula's tenure. A proven head coach, not an inexperienced rookie, would immediately infuse these qualities into the Alabama football program, two things that were staples under the Paul Bryant regime and very much in evidence during Gene Stallings' tenure. They have been missing since and the program has suffered for it.If Alabama was content to be a middle of the road, average program in the mold of an Ole Miss or Mississippi State, then it could have given Mike Shula another four or five years to grow into the job, accepting the fact that it would not even challenge to be No. 1 in its own state. But if Alabama wants to be a contender for SEC and national honors again, then this move is about four years overdue.
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Old 12-02-2006, 10:17 PM
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Re: Mike Shula Responds to Getting Fired

alabama should have given shula one more year.....the youth and talent and new recruits bama would have gotten would have made them a top 10 team
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Old 12-02-2006, 10:22 PM
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Re: Mike Shula Responds to Getting Fired

the mistake is that bama fired shula with no back up plan...how many recruits will show up at bama now with no coach and none in sight. shula saw bama through some very difficult times and with decreased scholarships....look back at auburn when probation hit (dye left, bowden came on went undefeated)....this was a mistake and mal moore should go...after all, he oked that big increase in salary.
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Old 12-03-2006, 12:13 PM
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the mistake is that bama fired shula with no back up plan...how many recruits will show up at bama now with no coach and none in sight. shula saw bama through some very difficult times and with decreased scholarships....look back at auburn when probation hit (dye left, bowden came on went undefeated)....this was a mistake and mal moore should go...after all, he oked that big increase in salary.
I think all along they was going toward Rodregez. They just used the spurriur thing to keep them in the spot light and in the news. I mean if a kid hears spurriur is going to come to al, he is going to keep that college in mind.
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Here's the statement released by Mike Shula after being fired as head coach:
Coach, I'm as mad as I've ever been over your firing. You've been cheated. What a fool Mal Moore is to have taken this step. I'm a fan of the Tide of more than 50 years, since growing up in Birmingham. I've never been this upset. I'm fuming. God bless you and your family.
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Mike Shula would have been the closest thing that Alabama will ever have to another Bear Bryant. Even the Bear didn't always have 10-2 or 12-0 seasons. Somebody has to win and someone has to lose. Mike Shula would have shown great growth in the next year and it would have continued on. Mal Moore is the one that needs to go. He apparently doesn't know what he is doing anyway. I hope that they have to beg MIke Shula to come back to Alabama. No one else will want to come and I can't blame them. Alabama superiors are too impatient. Look at how long many of the other coaches have been at the colleges that they are at. It takes time. Everytime a new coach is hired, you have to start all over again. The best thing to do is get Shula back and let Alabama get going on the right track. I hate that he was treated like he was. He probably wouldn't want to come back, but maybe just maybe we will see him again. I'm sure his dad was helping him out since Mike was a young coach and Don Shula was the winningest coach in the NFL. Bear Bryant jr. is just afraid that someone else might take his dad's place in history. Go Mike Shula and Roll Tide roll.
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Re: Mike Shula Responds to Getting Fired

The new tradition at Alabama is being carried on.......Look like you don't know what you are doing.........look like you have no class.........There are no big name, proven coaches interested in this job.........why would they be? Shula had the program going in the right direction and it looked like the administration had made a great decision in choosing a young coach of class and integrity......one of their own......and they were giving him the opportunity to grow into the job and be there for many years to come. Wrong.........the circus continues.........
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Old 12-04-2006, 12:08 PM
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The new tradition at Alabama is being carried on.......Look like you don't know what you are doing.........look like you have no class.........There are no big name, proven coaches interested in this job.........why would they be? Shula had the program going in the right direction and it looked like the administration had made a great decision in choosing a young coach of class and integrity......one of their own......and they were giving him the opportunity to grow into the job and be there for many years to come. Wrong.........the circus continues.........
To me going in the right direction does not mean having 1 winning season in 4 years. Last year is the only winning season he has had. If he would have went like 8-4, he still would have been their. HE IS THE REAL REASON HE IS GONE. THEY TOLD HIM HE HAD TO FIRE SOME OF HIS ASSISTANCE AND HE JUST WANTED TO MOVE THEM AROUND AND NOT FIRE ANYONE. HIS DAD NEVER DID SO WHY SHOULD HE. THIS IS A BUSINESS, NOT SOME POPULARITY CONTEST. I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT EVERY COACHES SEARCH IN THE NATION GOES LIKE THIS. ESPN JUST ISN'T ALL OVER THEM LIKE THEY ARE THIS ONE. MIAMI IS A WHOLE LOT WORSE JOB THAT ALABAMA, BUT DO YOU SEE THEM TRASH TALKING THE U. NO YOU DON'T BECAUSE THEIR IS A BIAS TOWARD THE SEC FROM ESPN.
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I don't know what an escape goat is?


I've heard about a scape goat one time and I believe it was a person or a thing that was put into place so that blame could be placed when a plan went wrong?

I think the escape goat is something they have at LSU?
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The firing of Mike Shula sickened me!!! 6-6 is NOT a losing season! Mike had us on the right track but remember Mike didnt fumble twice against Auburn or miss 5 field goal attempts. He was working with what he had ,over half the team was freshmen!!!!! My dad played for Coach Bryant and I and my brothers all attend UA and in my 44 years I have NEVER pulled against the Tide but I almost have to pull for OK state, just to show it wasnt Shula! Im afraid I have to say Mike was too classy for Bama!
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The firing of Mike Shula sickened me!!! 6-6 is NOT a losing season! Mike had us on the right track but remember Mike didnt fumble twice against Auburn or miss 5 field goal attempts. He was working with what he had ,over half the team was freshmen!!!!! My dad played for Coach Bryant and I and my brothers all attend UA and in my 44 years I have NEVER pulled against the Tide but I almost have to pull for OK state, just to show it wasnt Shula! Im afraid I have to say Mike was too classy for Bama!
I don't think he was on the right track. All the players are is what the coach makes them. If they fumble or miss a field goal, then he needs to figure out why. Thats why he gets paid the big bucks. To have them ready. You can't rate them on what they will do in the bowl game because they havn't had a coach for 2 weeks now. The thing that got him fired though is he was to stubarn to realize he HAD TO MAKE COACH CHANGES. They told him to fire people and he wouldn't do it. SOMETHING HAD TO BE CHANGED. IF HE WOULD HAVE DONE THAT HE WOULD STILL BE THEIR. all he wanted to do is move people around. That doesn't work. I agree he was one classy and very nice person. Maybe to nice to be a head football coach.
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College football is nasty at times, as Coach Hines has said. I personally would have liked to see him stick around a while longer. But, perhaps it was time. Mike is a good man and he will be ok. We all wish him the best of luck.....besides he now has a much bigger bank account....good for him.
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The firing of Mike Shula sickened me!!! 6-6 is NOT a losing season! Mike had us on the right track but remember Mike didnt fumble twice against Auburn or miss 5 field goal attempts. He was working with what he had ,over half the team was freshmen!!!!! My dad played for Coach Bryant and I and my brothers all attend UA and in my 44 years I have NEVER pulled against the Tide but I almost have to pull for OK state, just to show it wasnt Shula! Im afraid I have to say Mike was too classy for Bama!
I would never pull against the Tide, especially when we are down. My Daddy who played at GA once told me "to never kick a dog when it was down". He never had to remind me to not kick my own dog! I am a true Bama fan through thick and thin. I was at Bama when Shula was QB and got to interact with in numerous social situations- The nicest guy in the world, but I didn't like him being hired and don't like him being fired. With all that being said no matter what- I love the Tide! If you pull against us now, don't get back on the band wagon when we rise again- and you know the Tide will rise again!
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Old 12-24-2006, 09:15 PM
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Shula found out what happens if you continue to lose at Alabama. He rode his Daddy's coattails for years that is how he became our quarterback and later became coach. So if Shula is as good as people think why doesn't he go to DUKE or someplace where nice guys don't get fired?
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